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Post by saxplayer on Mar 22, 2006 18:17:48 GMT
Ive finally managed to persuade my teacher to get me a bassoon but Ill be teaching myself, so whch tutor books do you bassoon players on here use or which one could you recommend?
thanks
Nathan
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Post by ~*~Ruth~*~ on Mar 22, 2006 18:57:52 GMT
matt'll know some for definate but perhaps there's a "team woodwind" book for bassoon.
i've had a look at "team strings" for viola and squishy used a team "woodwind" when she started flute. they seem pretty useful and they explain a lot.
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Post by jazzking on Mar 22, 2006 19:08:24 GMT
Good luck with your bundle of sticks. Reeds are really important. Matt will fill you in. Very brave!
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Post by Matt on Mar 22, 2006 19:44:26 GMT
WAHOO!!!!! exaltations a plenty! finally someone has the sense to start a good instrument! twas a joke, honest  anyway - bassoon tutor books. i'm afriad i've never heard of these team woodwind books, sorry... but i was brought up on a diet of weissenborn bassoon studies. it's all heavy classical stuff, though if you work through maybe a study or two a week and nail all of them you'll find your progress is remarkable. there's two volumes, from dead simple slow stuff to the most incredible study you're ever likely to come across - think allegro 11-tuplets and the E an octave and a third above middle C - on a bassoon... but don't worry, it's a slow ascent to that! based on your sax training i'm guessing you may also consider microjazz for bassoon, although it's not very jazzy at all actually, and will probably be slightly out of your range to start with - but within a month you'll be able to play them pretty well, no worries. also though i've never played any of the the new time pieces books that are out are supposedly very good for someone just starting out, or just past just starting out at least. as jazzking says, reeds are v v v v v v v important!!! and very different to your planks of wood you use for sax and clarinet. i get mine off of a welsh bloke called steve ( www.marsdenbassoonreeds.com for details) and they're usually ok - if you order off him, go for number 2's for now (will all make sense when you see his site!) also double reeds aren't numbered 1 to 5 (or 6) - it's simply different cane. another thing will bassoon reeds is you can scrape them to how you like them if you find someone to teach you - something for the future i think! but steve's reeds will be playable out of the box. remember - before you play on them, make a 'ta' sound and blow really hard and you'll get a duck-like noise. this is good! you should be able to get quite a powerful noise from just that. technique - find some pics on the web of where to put your fingers and hands. most people when they first hold a bassoon hold their left hand up too high and the right hand too low. although at first it seems like there are loads of keys and stuff you'll find you'll only need a few to start with and can ignore the others until you suddenly see some strange notes in the music. embouchure! v v v v v v important too, probably more important than anything else! find pics of this on the web too. best way to do it! you certainly shouldn't have the same embouchure as with your single reed, there should be a very pronounced overbite, and no teeth, and quite a slack embouchure, altough to start with you need to tighten up a bit. as a wind player i expect you know about the whole diaphragm breathing thing - especially important on bassoon! fingering charts: idrs.colorado.edu/bsnfing/note/heckstnd.htm these are all the standard fingerings, look around the site to find others if you want/need to (although you won't need top Eb/E/F for a looooooooooonnnnng time yet!) above all, don't loose patience with it! it's a pain to play, it's always out of tune and it sounds bad to start with - but you'll certainly be glad to play it after a while! actually, here's a piece that will give you a bit of incentive to play well - imagine showing off with this! http://f*gotizm.karsav.com/music/Weber/04-Weber_-_Andante_e_Rondo_Ungarese,Op.35.mp3 (replace the * with an a, stupid filtering thing...) there are so many things i could say but i can't say them all here. if there's anything you want to know about - you know where to come. very brave, self teaching yourself! |
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Post by tremolo on Mar 23, 2006 9:18:58 GMT
matt if it's stupid you can change the filters yourself!
by cheating the filters: [a href="http://fagotizm.karsav.com/music/Weber/04-Weber_-_Andante_e_Rondo_Ungarese,Op.35.mp3"]http://fagotizm.karsav.com/music/Weber/04-Weber_-_Andante_e_Rondo_Ungarese,Op.35.mp3[/a]
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Post by Matt on Mar 23, 2006 15:15:20 GMT
i'll keep it in place as it's kinda useful to have but it's annoying that it can't spot if the word's in a url or anything. one of the many downfalls of proboards i feel!
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Post by tremolo on Mar 23, 2006 22:47:10 GMT
lol, nothing is perfect...
time to get back on topic.
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Post by fluteandbassoon on Mar 25, 2006 19:24:58 GMT
The tutor book I used was tune-a-day. I taught myself the first few notes before I had my first lessons. Other than that, Matt has covered all of it!
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Post by saxplayer on Mar 30, 2006 20:39:54 GMT
Well im not teaching myself anymore, Im having a fortnightly lesson with my sax teacher (her first instrument is bassoon) im using tune a day (when i finally get my bassoon from county) and she makes all her own reeds so thats that problem solved. As for actually making a noise... I can play the oboe so I should be able to play the bassoon right?
Wish me luck.....
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Post by Matt on Apr 1, 2006 15:31:53 GMT
hmm, similar system, but not identical obviously. plus your boon embouchure need not be as tight as the oboe, plus you need more support to get a half-decent sound - certainly something your teacher will be telling you over and over!
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Post by fluteandbassoon on Apr 3, 2006 19:16:05 GMT
Also, they'll probally tell you to relax, so that youu stay in tune... (well, my teacher says that ALOT) *hides*
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Post by Matt on Apr 8, 2006 10:43:44 GMT
yeah, it can be really tempting to blow as hard as you can and be really tense, but the only muscle that needs to do masses of work is your diaphragm...
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 8, 2006 20:25:09 GMT
Well its coming this week! *gets all excited* apparently its not amazing, but its better than nothing
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Post by ~*~Ruth~*~ on Apr 12, 2006 10:23:26 GMT
you'll have to tell us all about it!  |
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Post by Matt on Apr 12, 2006 18:03:29 GMT
yeah, there's a few things i'd like to know about it actually:
1) left thumb: on the smaller part, there will be a number of thumb keys - how many? there'll be a little round one, and maybe three or four above it.
2) left hand fingers: there will be three holes for the fingers, and two keys for the little finger - are there any others? i'd expect one other but you might be lucky and have another one - an 'E' key
3) what length of bocal do you have? it'll be engraved on the side of the bocal, and it'll be a number between 1 and 5 i expect
4) what make/model is it?
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